Richard Justice opined that McLane should give Cooper a contract extension. Justice said:
Asking an inexperienced manager to work a lame-duck season is asinine.
There's no way he should be fired. Maybe he's not the second coming of Tony La Russa, but based on the club's performance last season, he deserves an extension.
Someone commented in one of the threads earlier today that they have never understood this type of argument. And I agree. The idea that managers always need to be working with at least an extra year on the contract defeats the purpose of a contract. Does it make sense to evaluate a manager before 40 - 50% of the evaluation period has occurred? Not to me. The fact that Cooper is inexperienced, as Justice mentions, is even more reason for management to want to see a full evaluation period before extending a contract. If either the players or manager change the way that they perform based on the perception of a "lame duck" contract, then there is something wrong with either the players or manager or both.
Some pundits on the web have picked Cooper as the manager most likely to be fired first this season. That opinion probably is mostly based on those writers' view that the Astros will have a terrible season---it can't be based on Cooper's managing style since none of them have watched Cooper as much as most fans here at TCB. As the Astros got off to a 1-6 start to the season, accompanied by horrid offensive output, the possibility that they could be right creeped into the back of my mind. I begin to wonder if a more experienced manager--say, LaRussa--would have gotten a different result. And I don't know the answer.

I am reluctant to even raise the subject, because I like Cooper. He has been a great player, and he seems like a decent guy.
And this "nice guy" characteristic brings me to a quote discussed in Joe Posnanski's column. Reading back over some of Bill James' old writings, he provides James' take on the famous Durocher line, "nice guys finish last." The James quote:
“Every good manager effectively threatens his players with professional extermination if they don’t give him the best effort they are capable of giving; Casey Stengel, Billy Martin, White Herzog and Earl Weaver are masters at it, as was Durocher. These are not nice people. They are manipulative, cunning SOBs, hard and crass and they drink too much. Nice guys finish last because a nice guy is not going to coldly exploit the insecurities of his players. Nice guys finish last because a nice guy is not going to kick an old friend out of his comfortable sinecure the minute that old friend becomes a milli-second too slow on the fastball.”
Cooper does seem like a nice guy, and he doesn't appear to fit James' description of a good manager. Now, I'm not convinced that good managers have to be mean SOBs. Joe Torre had the reputation as a "nice guy," for instance. In fact, in this age of free agents and multi-millionaire players, one could argue that the styles exhibited by the Martins, Durochers, and Stengels wouldn't work on modern players.
While LaRussa's gamemanship irritates me as an Astros' fan sometimes, I have to admit that he is a good manager. He isn't overtly crude or mean, like some of the managers mentioned in James' quote; he is more like a baseball version of the more refined Tom Landry. Seemingly intellectual and creative on the one hand, LaRussa also comes across as manipulative, cold and calculating. But you can't beat the results; LaRussa seems to get the most out of teams with less talent.
During the recent Astros-Cardinals series, I was taken by the fact that Cardinals players seem to go into the series with a game plan for pitching, hitting, and runniing the bases. If the Astros had a clear game plan, it wasn't apparent from their play.
I'll list my three top criticisms of Cooper. First, he should restrain his tendency to publicly cirticize players or make decisions about players before he talks to the players first. In fairness, I don't recall him doing this since spring training. Second, his "aggressiveness at all costs" approach to the running game seems to run the team out of innings. Third, I wonder if he is an effective manager of pitchers. Part of this question comes from the way he handled pitchers like Oswalt, Backe, and Chacon last season. I'll admit I could be off target on these criticisms; after all, I am just a fan watching from a distance.
On his side, Cooper seems to be thoughtful and willing to re-think decisions which aren't working out. Some fans criticize Cooper's tinkering with his batting orders, but I don't mind it. There is something to be said for "trial and error."
Even if the Astros' record continues to slide, I doubt that an in-season manager firing is justified. I am mindful of Larry Dierker's contention that a manager has minimal ability to affect the outcome of games. In addition, I don't know of any potential managers who would be a clear improvement over Cooper. I'm not aware of any proven winning managers who are just sitting on the sideline waiting for a managerial job.
What are your thoughts on Cecil Cooper's managerial performance?
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He's been a Major League manager for 168 games...
I’m not sure if he knows who he is as a manager. That doesn’t mean he can’t be capable of more, but no player or manager has ever been accurately judged in 168 games. (I realize my number is off because of the games at the end of 2007, but I don’t remember how many of those there were and I’m too lazy to check).
I tend to agree with the Dierker comment…the manager can only do so much, and I don’t think you can make an honest claim that Cooper has obviously cost the Astros any of the games they’ve lost so far.
I do feel like the concept of “contracts” in pro sports seems fairly meaningless. Just because you have a contract doesn’t mean you won’t get fired. I suppose it means that you still have a paycheck if you do get fired, but that doesn’t mean you’ll get to keep managing the team. So ultimately I don’t see what the contract has to do with anything.
Is Coop the most likely manager to get fired midseason? It would be hard to argue otherwise. If the Astros get the point where the front office feels like they need a change, even if just for the sake of change, then what other option do they have. They aren’t going to go spend big in free agency if the team is tanking. They could try to start dismantling things but no one wants to take on most of these contracts. Ultimately Cooper is probably the only fall guy available, and so there’s a fairly good chance he’ll bite the dust. Is it fair? Probably not, but that’s the way things go in pro sports.
Zach Smith - April 14, 2009
Coincidently, as I wrote this column...
I was watching HBO’s Real Sports, which had a profile on Charlie Manuel (who was hired by Ed Wade, by the way). This made me ask, “how do we know Cecil Cooper won’t be another Charlie Manuel?” Manuel was widely ridiculed by the media and fans in Philadelphia. Cooper is polished and articulate next to Manuel. But he did prove successful in the end.
clack - April 14, 2009
One of the writers offering up Cooper
is Fox Sports’ Ken Rosenthal, who is usually thoughtful and on target with his analyses.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9457462/Cooper-could-be-first-manager-fired?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49
Rosenthal posits this move as more of a “you can’t fire the team” type of thing, but says the Astros’ veterans don’t like Cooper (I wasn’t aware of that and am not sure it’s true), but he is right on the money with the following paragraph:
“The Astros lack an obvious in-house replacement for Cooper. Buck Showalter, highly detail-oriented, might be the perfect choice to set the team on the right course. But he might not want to work for McLane.
Who would?"
The problem has been, is, and will continue to be McLane. Period. His mantra should be “The Future Is Yesterday”.
bwhite2323 - April 15, 2009
interesting.
Richard Justice claimed last year that the veteran Astros’ players didn’t have a lot of respect for Cooper. I don’t mention that much, because I am skeptical it is true…particularly since we don’t know whom Justice talked to for this information. I don’t know if Rosenthal has independent sources for his claim that the Astros’ veterans don’t like Cooper, or if he is just repeating what Justice has said.
clack - April 15, 2009
Lack of respect for Cooper
may have extended as far back as when Cooper was the bench coach. Maybe it’s more about them really liking Garner and being bitter of his firing.
goingforthecorner - April 15, 2009
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