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Tombstone or not, our Astros are in a bad place

It's a sad day around these parts. Despite the Astros' comeback win against the Cards yesterday, times are not good with our Astros. There are still 30 some odd games left in the season, but little chance that these games will mean much of anything.

Wednesday night after another one loss to St. Louis, Roy Oswalt spoke out against not only the recent poor play, but the overall mood of the team:

The team atmosphere is dead. There's no fire. When you get on a streak, you come to the field expecting to win. When you're dead, you come to the field just hoping to get by. That's what it feels like around the clubhouse — just a dead feeling. We've got so far behind it seems like we're going through the motions as a team. You've got to play it out. You've got to play all the games.

For anyone who's followed the Astros for any extended period of time, you'll know that this is an extremely rare occurrence for an Astro team. I can't speak to the teams pre-1996ish, but as long as I've been a fan, this has been a veteran club with quality people who don't point fingers, don't name call, and just play the game. No glitz, no glamor, no selfishness or pouting. The Astros would turn on their collective miner's hats, take the elevator down into the mine and go to work.

This attitude/atmosphere of the team emanated from the top down in the past. Maybe not form the tippy top, but at least from the manager down to the team leaders down to the rest of the team. Not having access on a day to day basis, I cannot say exactly how this team feels about Cecil Cooper. In a perfect world, the manager has the respect of his players, and that respect translates into a good attitude, togetherness and hard play. Sure, we knew going into this season that the Astros were deficient in terms of talent. What we thought we knew was that a veteran club like this one would stick together through tough times, and emerge better for the adversity on the other side. That hasn't happened.

A leadership void exists, and it's painfully obvious. Lance Berkman called a team meeting on Thursday to address Oswalt's comments. After the meeting was adjourned, Ed Wade had some semi-pointed comments of his own for the Wizard:

He should name names, Wade said. If he feels that way he should name names, either that or address the players privately. I just think that it's something that if he feels strongly about that, so strongly that he feels compelled to make public, I think he specifically should point out players who he feels aren't giving 100 percent. Because otherwise it's an indictment of the other 24 players on the club. I prefer for those things to be dealt with in private. I think players, particularly a veteran club, should be able to police itself in that regard. If there are guys that they feel that way, then I think they should address one-on-one or address it in a group.

Wade speaks the truth in what he said and wasn't out of line in making those comments yesterday. It still shook me a little bit, that our GM would have to make a statement like this at all. It speaks to the dissension that appears to be going on, and also the malaise that has swept over Camp Astro.

At a time like this, it is easy to point out where the team fell short, and how ill fated our June-July hot streak was. Maybe the Chronicle folks are making a bigger deal out of this than the situation actually merits. RJ and JJO admittedly were on the Astro playoff wagon just 30 days ago. They both seemed nearly convinced that this was going to be another magical year. The vibe around TCB wasn't as optimistic, but maybe we could see something they couldn't...ok, there's no maybe about it.

Now that the local paper has called the Astros out, Drayton McLane is sure to have a bee or two in his bonnet this morning. He may not understand baseball that well, but McLane knows business, and he knows that cohesiveness is a major factor to having a productive and successful outfit. Right now, his baseball team is lacking in both of those areas, and everyone knows it. The fans that he thought would come out to see good ol' Mike Hampton and Ivan Rodriguez know it. The fans who vowed to stay away until the Astros were serious about contending know it. Now hopefully Drayton knows it. Their needs are many: better players, a younger ball club, a more astute manager, the list goes on. Perhaps what this team needs most of all, time, is exactly what the Astros have the least of. There may only be 35 games left in this season, but with all the question marks surrounding the team, 2010 is right around the corner and it's doubtful that many of those questions will have answers by then.

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Oswalt’s comments were not well advised as a form of airing dirty laundry in public. As Justice’s take on this implies Oswalt is trying to convince Drayton to make changes. Oswalt wasn’t too subtle in fingering Cooper as part of the problem. To some extent, Oswalt reminds me of Bagwell, who publicly bitched and moaned about team problems and the need to sign better players, from time to time, and in so doing, plied upon his relationship with McLane. Both Oswalt and Bagwell could get away with saying what they want because their relationship goes above the GM. (I’m not saying that is good, just making the comparison.) Obviously there must be some truth to what Oswalt said, since Berkman said he “understood” what Oswalt is talking about.

An interesting point is Oswalt’s recent backhanded criticism of the Astros’ defense. JD mentioned that he has had body language expressing surprise/displeasure on some balls which went through the infield. After the Pudge trade, Oswalt didn’t know much about the players received in return, but said something like, “I hope we are getting players who can play defense; that’s what we need.” Upgrading the Astros’ defense will be difficult as long as Lee is in LF. Moving Tejada out of the shortstop position might help.

I suspect that the Astros’ morale may improve for a little while after the comeback win yesterday. Winning has short term effects like that. Also, the Astros did seem more intense in yesterday’s game than prior games in the series. As ill advised as Oswalt’s public comments may have been, they may have had a beneficial effect if it forced Berkman to call a closed door meeting and address these problems.

after reading the chronicle article...

I may have to retract my “ill advised” description of his comment. According to the article, all of the players who spoke with reporters appreciated Oswalt saying what he did. The only people who didn’t appreciate it were Cecil Cooper and Ed Wade. Both Valverde and Wandy publicly stated that they were glad Oswalt spoke up, and that “someone had to say it.”

sure moving tejada to 3rd will help but the problem lies with replacing shortstop with a defensive upgrade while maintaining some offensive production. I doubt manzella can do it and while i like maysonet, i doubt he can repeat what he has done this year consistently over a full season and i dont think the budget for next season will allow for one to come in.

I agree with your point about Manzella.

I have my doubts about Manzella’s offense. But, if his defense is as advertised, the Astros may have to take a chance that his defensive improvement will outweigh the potential black hole effect. If Manzella can post a .mid-.600’s OPS (I won’t bet that he can), the Astros should be happy. That would put quite a bit of pressure on getting offensive improvement from catcher and RF.

Tejada vs. Blum (and Boone and Kessinger)

Is Tejada worth millions more than Geoff Blum to play third?

well, I think it depends on how many millions. It also depends on Tejada’s defense at 3d base. I am betting that it will be first rate, perhaps better than what we get now (which is pretty good in the case of Blum, but just average in the case of Kepp), but that is not a sure thing. Tejada is an obvious offensive upgrade; I think 100 points of OPS improvement over Blum is likely in the future, and that is significant. But the question about re-signing Tejada will always come down to how much he demands to stay in Houston. The difference between $10 and $7 million could be the difference in keeping him or not.

With three game against the woeful D'backs

and three more against the crumbling Cubs, Astros may have a nice week.

Will all be forgiven by next Thursday?

you may be right

I think it was two nights ago that the D’Backs trotted out two position players who were on the opening day roster. Been a tough year on the snakes, lost Webb after his first start, starting 1b, Lf out for the season, Upton out for three weeks, Chris Young underperforming, Drew on the DL for a month, Lopez traded, starting C Snyder out for six weeks. Manager canned after two months. When you see the lineup tonite, you’re gonna say, who are these guys? Catching them at a good time, Upton just now off the DL, Reynolds back in the lineup after being out three nights and losing 15lbs due to the stomach flu.

Things are so bad in Arizona . . . .

they miss Chris Burke

D-Backs are coming off a good win against the Giants.
What can Astros do with Carlos ?

I hear he will not accept a trade.

I’d be temtped to play him in Round Rock; or make him an expensive bench player; batting him in a critical situation (without a runner on first and less than 2 outs) : then maybe letting him stay in the game. Or play him at first when Berkman does not play.

he has said he wont but…that could be a way to piss him off so that he wants out, although, finding a team that will take on his salary and his poor defense will be hard, and he may not agree to go to a team where he will only be a DH, will be difficult and therefore reducing what we could get in return, and we’d lose a lot offensive production

The question is does his offensive production

off set his rally killer GIDPs and outs at first; and his cringing defensive shortcomings. That needs to be studied – I have my opinion but a more factual analysis is needed.

Carlos Lee’s offensive production is a little misleading. I would guess his on base BABIP is close to his batting average because he does not strike out much. Unfortuatley those outs too often are grounders to shortstop.

One reason it hought Astros might ship him to Round Rock is that he might get so ticked he’d welcome a trade (plus iam not sure that he doesn’t hurt the team more than he helps it – though if i were a manager I’d want him at the major league team and not in AAA).

Despite my long response, I agree with Subber10. Astros have to takea hit on Carlos , whether he stays or goes.

i’m not saying thats what i would do…i’m just saying that could be a possible course of action. I don’t know what i would do but i agree a more factual analysis would help in determining really how effective he is offensively and whether or not taking a huge hit would be worth it. Now i will say i doubt this would ever happen because that would mean the front office is admitting it needs to basically blow up the roster and rebuild and we all know drayton is unwilling to do that. Also i’m not sure all the rules, but he’d probably have to pass through waivers and accept an assignment to AAA which i doubt he’d do. His contribution to the offense is mostly in his power, which no matter what we do, we’d lose his power and more than likely miss it a great deal.

interesting comparison?

the astros have it bad with carlos in the near future…but they’re not alone. check out this article about alfonso soriano and his bloated contract with the cubs:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/bradley-taking-the-fall

that article rightfully points a finger at Soriano and his contract (even worse than Lee's).

but I think it goes a little too easy on Bradley. Sure, Bradley is getting on base. But the guy is creating new turmoil every week. That has to be tough on keeping a team focused. Bradley’s latest comment, that he urgently hopes during each game that it is over in 9 innings, so that he can get away from the ballpark and Cubs’ fans as quickly as possible, is…outrageous. How can he expect to stay on the Cubs after he says that?

I wonder how good his defense would be if he lost 40 lbs or so
It would have to help

and help his baserunning too

I watched "Here's the Pitch" last night

In response to a fan question, Lee stated his height/weight as 6’ 3", 267 lbs. Most ballplayers overstate their height, and most humans in general understate their weight, but if you take these as valid numbers, this gives Lee a body mass index of 33.6 (if he is fudging on any of the numbers, it is probably higher). Detractors of BMI categories say that the numbers don’t give any indication of fitness, which is true, nor do they take into account frame size. But a BMI of near 34 qualifies as obese, and I would say that the impression of most fans is that Carlos isn’t very fit, large frame or no. Forty pounds would be a good start.

when the Astros signed Lee, Garner said the Astros’ doctors believed he just has a big frame. (He’s not fat, just big-boned?)

Always love that expression

It’s sort of like, “I’m not overweight, I’m undertall.” Going by other popular measures, such as those found here, the forty pound weight loss suggested by ol Pete would get Lee much closer to what is considered a healthy weight for someone his stature. The best measure would be body fat percentage. Most male athletes have a body fat percentage in the 6 to 17% range, while for non-athletic males, up to 25% is acceptable. I’d guess Lee’s is above that, but it’s just a guess. I can only remember one pro athlete who ever had his body fat percentage advertised, and that was Hershel Walker at 3%.

A few years ago my doctor's nurse asked me how tall I was

I told her that according to the height/weight chart in the office, based on my weight, I’m 6’5’’

This past sring I looked at my file and it said I was 6"5""! (I’m between 5’11 and 6’0’’)

Hahahahahah!
The biggest fallout from Oswalt's remarks

could be that he will be traded or relegated to a bench position if O won’t agree to the trade. Drayton is a “my way or the highway” manager who does not tolerate any public criticism of his operation by those on his payroll. Recent cases in point: Billy Wagner, Jim Hickey, broadcaster Alan Ashby, all of whom were superlative performers.

You can be sure of one thing – no more farm equipment for Roy!

I dioubt it.

Roy Oswalt has a personal relationship with McLane, similar to Bagwell’s. Unlike Billy Wagner, Oswalt did not criticize McLane…in fact, he acted like he was defending McLane….as in, the owner pays the players a lot of money and he deserves 100% from his players.

yeah,

there’s a big difference between what Oswalt said (“Something needs to be done to improve the team”) and what Wagner said back in 2003 (“Drayton won’t do what needs to be done to improve the team”). And, as you say, Drayton simply likes Oswalt in a way he never liked Wagner.

The Bagwell comparison is apt, I think.

I agree, clack

sounded more to me like he was lobbing those grenades at Coop. He was defending the guys who write the checks (McLane, possibly Wade), but said that the leadership comes from the top…

My guess is that Coop plays out the rest of the season and Wade does a thorough search for his replacement in the offseason. If that doesn’t happen, there’s going to be a lot of unrest in this town.

I'm still...

all for hiring Manny Acta.

And thus, Cooper must be fired.

Explain, please.

I don’t know much about Acta.

I live in D.C. now...

and so I got to see a fair bit of him. I was pleased with everything I saw about his management style and decisions, and he’s a well-respected guy, from what I’ve heard. If I recall correctly, he has some

The Nationals let him go because you have to do something after a lousy season and such a lousy start this year. Every sports writer in D.C. cast it in just that way—nobody had a bad word to say about the guy. He was regarded by most as having done an amazing job in his first year with the Nationals.

Acta also started out with the Astros in the minor leagues and was sent to scout school by the organization from A or AA (can’t recall) and managed one of our minor league teams before eventually going to the Expos to be 3rd base coach. Between the history with the Astros and the tremendous respect for a young manager (he’s only 40), I’m all for giving him a shot.

oops, typo...

meant to say “he has some history with the Astros organization.”

I like Acta too.

He is smart, and he is familiar with the sabermetric side of baseball too.

He is known...

for calling for bunts relatively rarely.

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