*Note: I know you are ready for the Friday Astros Minor Thoughts to return. Hold off for one more week. This story is about the minors and the draft, but it's bigger than the normal Thoughts. So you've got that going for you. Which is nice.
A throwaway comment by Evan the other day gave me a great idea for a story. The Astros glory years were from 1997-2005. That's when they made the playoffs six times in nine years. But, how were those teams built. Everyone harps on how bad the Astros farm system is now, but was it correspondingly good leading up to that dynastic period?
More importantly, how much did a well-perceived system help them win during that time frame? Was it sustained drafting excellence that carried the day, or was it one or two big scores? Obviously, our topics lately have veered into supporting Houston General Manager Ed Wade against all manner of outside opinions. Most observers are skeptical of the strength or effect the past two (pretty strong) drafts will have on the Astros going forward. So, I wanted to both see what caused the Astros success in the late 90's and if the pattern could be duplicated in 2010 and beyond.

In doing my research, I found 54 players who made the major leagues after being drafted by the Astros between 1992 and 2002. I stopped in 2002 because that seemed to be the last season where players would have a realistic chance of impacting the big league club by 2005.
54 players fit this criteria, both playing in the major leagues and being drafted from 1992 to 2002. Of this group, only 35 played even a single game with Houston. Fifteen were traded, including six who never appeared as Astros, including first round picks Ramon Castro and Mark Johnson. Both, incidentally, were traded to Florida.
For all intents and purposes, we can break up this dynasty into two sections. The first is 1997-2000, when the Astros made the playoffs three times in four years. Then, we have the 2001-2005 section, when the Astros won their first-ever playoff series and made the World Series in back-to-back years.
During that first section, six players who went on to play at least 20 games with the Astros made their debut. That number does include Morgan Ensberg, however, who didn't receive significant playing time until 2002. Of those players, Scott Elarton, Wade Miller, Lance Berkman and Julio Lugo made significant impacts. Russ Johnson, Tony McKnight, Keith Ginter, Ramon Castro and John Halama were all traded during this period.
That last sentence is important. Under Gerry Hunsicker, the Houston farm system wasn't always highly rated, but it was productive enough to swing big-time deals. Castro brought back Jay Powell, who was the primary setup man during the 1999 playoff run. Halama was part of the package that picked up Randy Johnson, while McKnight brought in closer Mike Williams, a key member of the bullpen in 2001.
What these years (and the previous drafts) lacked in impact, they made up for in trade value. Oddly enough, though, none of the drafted players the Astros gave up during this period went on to be a star. The closest is probably Ramon Castro, who played in 507 games at catcher. Of course, some of the international signees like Carlos Guillen and Freddy Garcia brought back more value for Seattle. On the balance, though, the Astros did very well by these trades.
In fact, these trades helped offset the lack of an impact player from the 1992-1995 drafts. The closest thing the Astros got during this time period was Billy Wagner. While Scott Elarton, Chris Holt and Julio Lugo all played big roles in short bursts, they didn't play for long. Elarton was a reliever for two seasons before having a great 2000 campaign. He promptly hurt his arm and was never the same for Houston. Holt was traded to Detroit after two okay seasons in the rotation for the second coming of Brad Ausmus. Lugo was a good player at short, but played on just one playoff team (2001) before being cut.
The real core of the later Astros teams were formed in the 1996, 1997 and 1998 drafts. Those three saw Wade Miller, Roy Oswalt, Lance Berkman, Tim Redding, Morgan Ensberg and Brad Lidge. Those three drafts also produced the aforementioned Mark Johnson, who was integral to the Moises Alou trade, Ginter (traded for Mark Loretta) and John Buck, who was one of the keys to the Carlos Beltran deal in 2004.
Of the Astros who played in over 100 games, only Oswalt, Berkman and Ensberg posted double-digit wins from 2002 through 2005. While Miller's best seasons may have scored highly on the WAR list, they didn't track that particular stat until 2002. Jason Lane also was high on this list, but had pitiful WAR numbers and never really had that one great season. Ensberg, on the other hand, posted more than five wins twice and carried the 2005 team until his hand injury.
There were certainly players drafted in the meantime that contributed. Lane, Chris Burke, Chad Qualls and even a guy like Kirk Saarloos had their roles. What was lacking in their performance was an impact on the Astros playoff chances. It's also clear that the Astros never really set out to build through the draft in this period. They lucked into some late round pitchers like Miller and Oswalt. They also made astute trades to supplement the core of the team built during the late 80's (Biggio. Gonzo, Harnish, Finley, Bagwell). That's how the Astros won in the first section, right down to the Alou, Johnson and Powell trades.
On the other hand, as the calendar flipped to the 21st century, the Astros relied more on homegrown players drafted under Hunsicker. While he did make big acquisitions (Kent, Clemens, Beltran, Pettitte), the real thing that hurt the Astros was the perception that they didn't have enough players to make trades. By going through free agency to sign guys like Kent and Pettitte, the Astros lost valuable draft picks. This led to the idea that the system was crummy and meant that they couldn't make impact trades any more. Look at the guys the Astros traded away again. Where are the serviceable players? Hunsicker did all that with smoke and mirrors.
The other positive thing to take away from this study is that Ed Wade and Bobby Heck could be setting the Astros up for big-time succcess again with this draft. A third straight impact-type draft could set up a situation where the Astros are contenders again and very soon. Like by 2014 soon. That may seem like a long time, because it is. I'd still rather another period of sustained success like we saw back then than what Houston looks like now.
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Billy Wagner definitely was an impact player. He has a decent chance of going into the Hall of Fame.
clack - March 12, 2010
That's true
And I may have been a little too flippant about him. There is still a glaring hole in those drafts for position players and starting pitchers.
David Coleman - March 12, 2010
The Astros relied so much on the Venezuela academy in that period that it may have affected how they used the draft. I would view Bobby Abreu and Johann Santana as impact players, even though the Astros misjudged them, and they didn’t really contribute to the Astros’ major league club.
I didn’t see any mention of Kenny Lofton, who I would consider to be an impact player drafted by the Astros. Unfortunately, the Astros trade (Lofton for Eddie Taubensee) turned out to be horribly lopsided.
clack - March 12, 2010
Lofton was drafted in 1988, so he was outside of my data range. The question I was trying to figure out is when did the Astros draft players integral to the club’s success during the playoff run.
I also think the Venezuelan academy affected how the farm system was viewed and probably how the Astros drafted. It’s still jarring to see such a lack of talent coming out of the draft. Just look at the first-round picks in the 90’s. Only Wagner and Berkman really made an impact. Remember, Lidge was a first-rounder, but it took him a long time to come through because of injuries. Missing on that many top draft picks can’t be just about philosophy.
David Coleman - March 12, 2010
Lofton was called up by the Astros in 1991, and traded to the Indians in 1992. He earned six consecutive AL all star appearances between 94 and 99. So, he would have been an impact player on those late 90’s Astros teams, if the Astros has kept him. But I understand that you had to limit your data points.
The Astros had the first pick in the draft in 1991, and you would have hoped to get more production out of that pick. We’ve had many posts and threads about the Astros’ decision to pass over Derek Jeter and select Phil Nevin. Money may have played a part in that decision, but I also think the Astros were looking for the buzz and quick help from a College WS MVP. Nevin did become a good major league player for several years, but it was several years removed from his Astros’ days.
clack - March 12, 2010
Looking at that list of Astros 1st round picks, I recall McKnight and remember that I was somewhat miffed when he was traded to the Pirates. He was a LHP who had some good starts for the Astros and seemed to have some potential. But he never made it beyond the journeyman stage. I always liked Brian Williams, but he never became the dominant starter that people thought he could be. I suppose it’s a case of TNSTABP. It’s just bad luck with Elarton…even though one could argue that he should have been traded when he was one of the hottest commodities in baseball (after the 99 season). The Astros reportedly received offers of all star level talent for him. It’s hard to believe that Iorg was a first round pick (supplemental). Grigsby and Sapp are just sad stories…is it bad luck or bad scouting (most likely some of both)?.
clack - March 12, 2010
that acronym should read TINSTAAPP
stands for, “there is no such thing as a pitching prospect.”
clack - March 12, 2010
2012
That’s what I’m hoping for, the world is ending then anyways =P
Timothy De Block - March 12, 2010
I think Wade has done well in every trade he has made so far, and his drafts seem to be very strong. i think the team is heading in the right direction if only the fans, media, and Drayton can be patient to see it all out.
mjh84 - March 12, 2010
Hey mjh84....
you need to take off those rose colored glasses…..they’re blinding you from the truth.
titansfan4ever - March 12, 2010
2013
That’s the first year Houston will have major payroll flexibility and a mature farm. Oswalt, Berkman, and Lee coming off the books combined with the 2008, 2009, and 2010 drafts being ready to contribute means the beginning of another good run for the Astros.
Snake Diggity - March 12, 2010
Fact check please
Though the Astros SHOULD have gone to the World Series in back-to-back seasons, thanks to Dan F-ing Miceli the Astros did not go to the world series in 2004. The Astros didn’t go to the World Series in 2006—so fix it.
dsides - March 12, 2010
Sentence reads that they did one first then another in consecutive years. No fact checking necessary.
David Coleman - March 12, 2010 via mobile
no need to be like that
welcome aboard, but please try to keep the ordering around of the writers to a minimum. in fact, don’t do it again.
Evan Hochschild - March 12, 2010
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